
Divorce sucks. It’s happening everywhere around us. There’s a single common thread in the divorces going on in our families and friends and that is: Everything changed when we got married. Obviously, this has us shaking in our boots a little bit, “What the hell goes on immediately after you say ‘I do’?” I asked some married bloggers to talk about their marriage demons, things that changed after they got married for better and for worse. I’m sure you know Louise, but in case you don’t, she writes the fantastic Thirty-Something Bride full of “Unfake Weddings,” as Louise calls them, and advice. So sit down and take notes.
When Lizzie wrote and asked me to be a guest blogger on the topic on Life After I Do, or as she more aptly put it, “got any ‘Marriage Demons’?” I hesitated. I wondered what, if anything, I could contribute after a marriage of 1 year 4 months and 16 days. What do I yet know of the demons?
But something that came screaming to forefront of my brain was a line I heard one of my parents say a long time ago. It was about “behind closed doors. “
I’ll admit it; I was eavesdropping, but unintentionally. I overheard my parents speaking in loud whispers about a couple they knew who was getting divorced. The couple in question was a part of a group of Marine Corps families who all hung out together in the early to mid 70’s.
More than a decade later, I sat listening to my parents discuss the divorce of one of these families. I heard my dad pass along information about the relationship to my mom as a possible cause to the failed marriage. I remember over hearing my mom “tsk”-ing my dad, or maybe clucking her tongue at him in disdain and saying, “Now Gus, you just never know what goes on behind closed doors.”
Now ain’t that the truth?
We all look at someone else’s relationship from the outside and make plenty of assumptions and judgments. For instance, my cousin and I were chatting and she told me her husband was off dirt biking and she was left with the kids. Again. This happens more often than I, if it were my husband going dirt biking, would really want to accept. But she does. I questioned this in my head. When I visited her last month, we were talking about her trip to the University of Wales where she’s getting her PhD. On this last trip she spent extra days in London with her mother, celebrating her 70th birthday. As she described all the loveliness of Oxford and the museums, she looked at me and said, “Made all those weeks Bill went dirt-biking totally worth it.” And just like that, the image I had of my cousin’s marriage was just blown to bits. My vision of her marital unfairness was most likely a little bit of compromising and negotiating on their part. And is that a silent negotiation or a verbal one? What exactly is going on behind those closed doors?
The Candyman and I talked about me writing this post at great length late one Friday afternoon, he with his sweet tea, me with my glass of wine. We talked about what, if anything, has changed since we’d been married. I think I can sum up the conversation thusly: evolvement. We are constantly evolving in our relationship with each other. We both agree that it’s hard work. It’s sacrifice, both unyielding and reluctant in nature. It’s practice and progression, nowhere near perfection.
Recently, I went down to visit my parents and partake in an annual party they throw for their friends, A Low Country Brunch. One of couples from back in those Marine Corps filled days was able to come for the gathering. We talked about relationships and how each couple is different and how the couples they’ve known over the years had changed. We talked about the “behind closed doors” theory and how the outside of a relationship doesn’t necessarily reflect the inside of the relationship. And everyone agreed it was hard work.
This led me to thinking about this older generation and their perception and definition of marriage, so I called my dad. Whenever I want to know anything, I call and ask my dad. In my eyes, he pretty much knows everything and gives sound advice, whether you decide to take it or not. We got to talking about the conversation between me and my husband and evolving in a marriage. For The Candyman, the state of personal reflection, acknowledgement and action is a practiced one. I know no other person who can look inside himself, recognize a fault, admit the fault and work to change the fault ON A REGULAR BASIS. Not when we have a fight. Not when he makes a bad decision. All. The. Time. Me? Uh, not so much. I HATE looking at myself and acknowledging the faults and then modifying a behavior. Hate. It. But that’s what my dad says is the constant in marriage: having to look, modify, change. My parents have been married for 46 years. My dad says he thinks it’s harder now that it ever has been. He said as you experience life, you change how you think and what you think about. Health plays a big part of that, I’m guessing. I also talked to my mom. She’s never quite as forthcoming as my dad. She simply said it was a lot of hard work and a lot of compromise.
So where does that get us? Well, the initial conversation between Lizzie and I was how the betrothed couple were “all shaky-legged in the corner, ‘We believe in marriage forever, right?? Right?!’” And I understand that feeling. There are people, good people, who get divorced. People I thought would “totally make it” are long-ago separated. What’s happening behind those doors???
What I’m hearing across the board is that marriage, regardless of length, is not easy. Like, at all. However, the catch-all heard from every couple is that it’s worth it. I asked my mom that question. I asked her straight up if it was worth all the hard work, after all these years. And she gasped. “*GASP* Well, of course it’s worth it! I love him! He’s my partner!” She answered almost as if I’d asked her to go to church and not wear any panties. Like it was the most ridiculous and inappropriate thing I’d ever asked.
I think it’s good that Lizzie and her honey-pie are nervous. It means they are paying attention. It means that this isn’t just about the wedding. They are looking up and around and beyond, paying attention to their relationship and how to avoid the pot holes. Being married is a near constant, yet-not-annoying buzz in the back of your brain. There’s a certain relationship-alertness one must maintain. But man, it’s hard. And everyone slips and makes mistakes or is just too damn tired to give a damn. The key is the work it takes to come back and away from the mistakes, and after a good night’s sleep to give a damn again. Often times, it’s learning that sometimes all it takes is a good night’s sleep.
So to answer the question, “Does stuff change after you get married?” You bet it does. It’s supposed to. The stuff behind our closed doors? It ain’t always pretty, but it’s always changing.






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Great post, Louise — thanks for sharing. And Lizzie, thanks for starting another excellent series (with an excellent header/logo)! The behind-closed-doors thing is a great reminder that we can’t really know what goes on with other couples, we can only try our best to make our own relationships stay together while growing at the same time. Lots of hard work ahead, for sure… this post is daunting but encouraging!
Kathleen, I couldn’t agree more. Isaiah and I tend to become the “therapy couple” in new groups and it makes it really hard to remember to focus on ourselves and not other people’s problems…Their problems aren’t your problems, relax, BUT don’t miss out on your own while you’re checkin’ out Suzy So-and-So and her dysfunctional relationship, you know? Louise has some GREAT tips here.
This was a great post. It’s so good to remember that our perceptions are not always the truth.
Thanks, Holley, Louise did a great job! I believe it for sure!
That’s for inviting me to be a part of the discussion!
Of course! Thanks so much, Louise!
Gosh, Louise, this is why I follow your blog. You’re just so damned smart.
And it’s so TRUE. You never, ever know the truth about the inside of a relationship, what goes on behind closed doors. At one point in my relationship with my Mister, we had an issue of semi-infidelity. I won’t go in to details, but the way things shook out, EVERYONE knew. All our friends. And a couple of my close friends passed judgment,, “supported me”, and were ready to help me through breaking up with him. Except I didn’t. I worked it out with him, behind closed doors. The “friends” gossiped behind my back and didn’t get why we were still together. We’re not really friends anymore. No one really knows what happened except us, and we’re okay with it. It’s six years later, we’re married, and that experience drew us closer together.
I love your mom’s reaction to whether it’s worth it– it’s one of the hardest things we’ll ever do, but it brings us some of the greatest rewards. And things like that? Are meant to be scary as hell. Come on, don’t make me quote Jimmy Dugan: “It’s supposed to be hard! If it wasn’t hard, everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it great.”
Oh man…do I have just…a flobbity jillion things to say to this. Instead – I’ll say that I will get back to you on this topic…in another post or an email, one of the two. That quote from Jimmy Dugan is BRILLIANT for marriage!
One comment about a good night’s sleep. Lots of people used to give marital advice of “Don’t go to bed angry”. I say, sleep on it, esp. if you are tired. Thing often look WAY better in the morning.
We just had a really long talk about this at the Practical wedding meetup! I’ve always thought everyone should never go to bed angry, but everyone’s different. We stew for days if it makes it past one day, so we just don’t let it…but a lot of people will relax and ease up on the issue the next morning! Thanks for that tidbit, I had almost forgotten to correct my previous statements!
I stumbled on your blog thanks to an APW tweet about Alyssa’s post and went back to read the other posts in this series. Although I’m weeks late to this post, the comment about never going to bed angry reminded me of an interesting idea I’d heard recently. This guy said that he and his wife have a 10 pm rule: they don’t try to work something out after 10pm because over time, they realized that by 10pm, they are tired and not at their best. So if something comes up late, they’ll say to each other, 10pm rule! And then deal with it the next day or in the morning.
This is awesome. I fully agree with it. I learned the closed-door theory early on from listening to all of my friends and my parents’ friends tell me things that I would’ve never guessed from the outside.
I waited to get engaged until I met the person who I wanted to work on things with, day in and day out.
Excellent. I hadn’t learned this until…I read Louise’s guest post! I have always been so critical of other relationships and this definitely helps keep things in perspective…that I can’t possibly know what’s going on in their personal lives!
Such an amazing post. My mom always told me growing up that almost immediately after she and my dad got hitched, things changed BIG TIME. His attitude towards family roles and responsibility was suddenly different, their division of labor shifted big time and in general, I think my mom felt like she was married to a different guy. Of course, she’s been married to him for 33 years, so they figured it out, but she was always very careful to remind me that things CHANGE, and you can’t always see that coming. Go into marriage wanting forever, and just continue to chose each other.
Oh boy, now you’ve got me thinking, thinking, thinking!
Great post + the beginning of a great series! I talked to my mom about this same concept not long ago, and she reminded me of another change: how different life + marriage are after kids are grown and leave the house. My parents, suddenly empty nesters, have been adjusting to that, and hilariously going out most Friday and Saturday nights with friends, much more than my husband + I actually get out!
I completely get this, Jackie. I have talked with Isaiah about this a lot and it’s the main reason we want to wait a long time after we get married to have kids…so you can adjust to being husband and wife for a while and when the kids leave it’s not overwhelmingly different, you know? It’s not the right choice for everyone, I’m not saying it’s better or worse, just something important to us for that reason exactly.
Great post. Divorce as a concept is kind of terrifying because everyone who gets married, naturally, thinks it will be forever. OK – not everyone. But most people. And yet, so many marriages go wrong. And so thinking about this stuff before I say ‘I do’ is important; necessary, even. It’s odd to think that “marriage changes everything” – I mean, why does the act of getting married mean things change? The actual getting married part is likely not what changes things, really – it’s just that getting married makes it official that you and your partner are in it for the long haul. It’s an agreement you’ve made, and I imagine that once you’re married there can be some tough reminders of just how difficult that long haul can be.
I’m with you, Bret. I had some serious concerns about all of this for that reason exactly. No one hopes for divorce..okay, most people don’t…but it happens SO often. It just feels like you owe it to you and your partner to try to see things from all angles, you know?
This was such a great read. It really reminds me not to judge others, be jealous of others, or even try to pretend I know how good {or bad} another’s relationship is. This makes me want to support my friends in their marriages even more.
What a FANTASTIC effect. Same effect it had on me, lady. Louise is a sharp one, eh?
Thanks for an excellent, thoughtful, well-written post. I was just having a conversation about “closed doors” with one of my married girlfriends. It’s so true that it’s hard work. And I’ll just come out and say, sometimes I feel overwhelmed by the “till death do us part bit.” especially in the midst of a fight. Since the beginning of our two year marriage, each time we fight I think, “OMG, will I have to deal with this for the rest of my flipping life?!” Hopefully not, right? But that small moment of terror has popped up in each argument over these past two years.
That moment of terror has also make me stronger. I’m one who likes to run when the going gets tough. I can;t run from the Hindsight Groom. I’m legally bound to him. I have to make a decision during each argument. Suffer in fear, or try to see my way through.
No it’s not easy, and seeing my way through is not always instant. Seeing my way through is a process (a really really long one) on a couple of issues. But yes, it’s worth it!
Thanks again Lizzie and Louise!
There’s something weird that happened when we got engaged too…I started thinking similar things…Is it gonna be like this forever? I’m just signing up for more of this voluntarily? But then he opened my eyes to all of the things I was doing that he was all, “Forever?” about and instead of thinking doom about the future, we both just started slowly working on the things that were driving us mad, you know? Marriage is a little scary.
OMG this is exactly why I love to come to your blog! It’s real, your real, the feelings are real ~ all of it! I have been divorced for almost 10 years now, and I have always said you never know what happens in a relationship unless you are sleeping in the middle!!! Every.single.person we knew was blindsided by our divorce. I can’t tell you how many people I heard say to me ~ you have the perfect marriage, you are the couple we strive to be, you have the happiest life and have the marriage that we all want! Really? Did they have any idea? I guess we projected happiness and love, as we both did love each other and for the most part were happy with each other ~ that is when we saw each other! I traveled every week for my job. I would come home on Friday nights to a sweet note on the counter that the Farm Boy was off to hunt for the weekend! Me, I’d cook and clean all weekend. Work on projects. Freeze dinners for the coming week that I would be gone. Shop. Play with the puppies if he left them…you know live my own life! He would come home on Sunday, we’d eat dinner, he’d fall asleep and I would pack for the coming weeks travels. I’d wake up Monday morning to a car full of gas, my bags packed in the car and my car all heated up. I’d get a kiss on the way out the door and then it would all happen all over again on Friday! When I stopped to think about it, we really lived separate lives. And how can you have a relationship, yet alone a marriage with someone that you never saw! I decided I didn’t want to live the rest of my life this way ~ I wanted a partner, not a roommate! So it was me who asked for the divorce. I couldn’t imagine brining a child into this situation. I didn’t have a dad ~ I sure as heck wanted my children to have one!
WOW, I don’t think I have ever really said that out loud ~ eeks!!!! But not all divorces are messy ones. We remained friends until he remarried, and his wife forbid him to talk with me anymore! We were great friends, just not great husband and wife!
This is something I think all couples need to talk about ~ expectations, how the relationship is going to work…so very, very important indeed! I absolutely LOVED reading this!!! Thank so much for sharing
xoxo
kristi
wow, kristi, your marriage sounds like it was really tough..isaiah and i are just on barely different schedules and i’m already crying, “I never see him anymore!” i’m sorry you had to go through both the divorce and the tearing apart of your relationship through distance. thanks so much, kristi! but this was all louise! she’s brilliant, right? her blog is at Thirty-Something Bride. and a LOT of her writing is this brilliant and she shares some awesome “unfake weddings” the other times. you should definitely check her out!
I’ve been going back and forth on what to say to this post because there is just so much swirling through my head. My husband and I both come from divorced households (with wildly different circumstances) and yet, in our late twenties, our parents have never shared to us the stuff that happened in their respective marriages. My husband and I have only the things we witnessed as children and in retrospect to draw on how to make a marriage work (communication and making sure you are both on the same page are big indicators).
Honestly, I think it’s a good thing that we work for our relationship. It means that we are evolving individually and as a partnership.
i think so too, lady. it’s tough to see one side of a relationship only and not “where it all went wrong.” i think you can learn a lot from your gut, at least i do…if someone close to us in a relationship does something that doesn’t “feel” right – try to “train” their husband, talk about their wife when she’s not around, etc. – we just make a mental note and always talk about it that night. what do you think about ________? you don’t do that, do you? no? good, let’s just not.
great post. I totally agree with Louise, Lizzie. It would be more concerning if you weren’t nervous. I think going into a marriage being open honest and talking a full hard look at the ups and downs of ‘wedded bliss’ can only benefit you in the long run. You can only do the best you can and that way you will always look back knowing you tried your darndest and it was worth it.
Thanks, Lisa. I’ve gotten some delightful responses from everyone and it’s really started to put my stomach at ease so far, ha.
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